We purchased 2, four tier layer cages, two 4 tier grow out pens, one 4 tier brooder. Terry from coturnix corner suggested switching out the watering cups for the layer cages and we did that. One of the issues that they have had in the past is that debris gets stuck inside the waters and causes them to leak or stop working. We notice that there’s a lot of fine shavings where they drill the holes into the watering bar so we went through the trouble to clean those holes out with tweezers and then blew them out with an air compressor. Maybe hatching time can make more of an effort to remove the debris from drilling the holes. Hopefully this eliminates potential problems down the road. The cages are time-consuming and at times frustrating to assemble but once you get the hang of it, it goes pretty smoothly. Our chicks are supposed to hatch within the next few days so we will be able to put the cages to the test and see how things work out. We also bought the CT 120 SH Incubator and a quail plucker. The incubator seems to be working fine and the plucker, obviously we haven’t had a chance to use yet. I did compare these hatching time cages to the cages at Wynola ranch and for the money. I think the Hatching Time cages are a better bet if you’re purchasing cages. Time will tell though. I may try building some in the future since they are not inexpensive.